appointed by bill clinton and her reasoning is that look, there are other parks where this nativity scene can be put up, so it's not an undue burden on the first amendment rights of this particular group, on the free expression rights. all these people who are atheists out there, a lot of them don't buy into this. i must say. a lot of them find people like this guy's name is damon -- i keep calling him damien. damon vick is the atheist who first filed this lawsuit. well, damien is not content with not believing. there he is. lovely. not just contents with not believing, he wants to make a pain in the backside of himself and annoy and enrage and trample on the rights of every other person who happens to be a christian out there on christmas time. i don't think it's good for his movement. i think people kind of just think he's a pain. i guess he consider this is a big victory. >> brian: the backlash might be more people believing in god, so damon might get this -- >> you guys should know this case is a lot like the capital cases for the death penalty where they just overwhelm the city or th